Nov 22, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: north phillys finest
Profession: N/Mo
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Why do Rangers
Only have bows that req marksmanship, when all other professions have weapons/offhands req for all there "main builds"
Ie.
monk has wands/staffs for healing, divine, prot, & smite
Why are there no bows for Expertise - Wilderness - Beastmastery req?
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Nov 22, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Feb 2007
Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM]
Profession: E/
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Why are there no sword's with req 9 strength...
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Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52
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#3
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PA, USA
Guild: [SHIN]
Profession: Mo/E
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I dunno...I really love my Req9 Wind Prayers Scythe
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Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2006
Guild: Sinister Swarm [Sin]
Profession: P/
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no leadership shields...
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Nov 22, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jan 2006
Guild: Stars of Destiny
Profession: E/
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it makes sense that to use a bow that one should be skilled in marksmanship. The thing that I wish for most is a weapon, doesn't even need tone a bow, with a beast mastery requirement.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02
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#6
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Jungle Guide
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If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?
Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery
Do you see a pattern?
Now... if they wanted to introduce some new weapons and skills that go w/ other attributes, I'd be all for that. Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03
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#7
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal
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Yeah, go ahead and mock. I think it's a valid point though.
Comparing it to other professions is more than a little unfair. I mean, seriously...how often do you play a dervish build with no scythe, or run as an assassin without any kind of martial weapon? Versatility is a main strength of the ranger class, but weapon choices are not at all supportive of the concept.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra, AU
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.
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Even crossbows would require marksmanship.
Also, weapon choices don't need to be supportive of the versatility of Rangers, because they're versatile.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18
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#9
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Lady Fie
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sapporo
Guild: Tha Skulls [Ts]
Profession: D/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sprintcar88h
Only have bows that req marksmanship, when all other professions have weapons/offhands req for all there "main builds"
Ie.
monk has wands/staffs for healing, divine, prot, & smite
Why are there no bows for Expertise - Wilderness - Beastmastery req?
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Is your bow made out of squirrels or something? Seriously. This is redundant. You wouldn't spend years training with a sword just to pick up a bow and go to war. Monks/Eles/etc have weapons based in each stat because not everyone plays with a lot of Energy Storage/Divine Favor/etc and forcing them to take a less effective weapon because of their skill choice is unfair. Expertise doesn't have a weapon attributed to it because it's not a tangible prowess. It's a complementary attribute that makes your other skills more efficient. Want a weapon with BM reqs? It's called a PET.
I can't really think of a good one liner for WS, sorry.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21
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#10
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Grimsby, UK
Profession: R/
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I've brought up this issue on numerous occasions. I wouldn't mind if only we were given a bow grip of Expertise, Beast Mastery and Wilderness Survival.
It's not a big change, it won't break the game in any way whatsoever, so i can't see a problem.
Take a look at the diversity of mods for a warrior for example.
His shield can have many different bonuses on top of his regular class attributes, even things like domination magic +1 20%, and his weapon can have swordsmanship, axe mastery or hammer mastery +1 20%.
What do rangers get? A bow grip of marksmanship. Wooooo!
Go on, go the whole hog and give us bow grips of healing prayers etc and get back to your original vision of game/class diversity.
EDIT.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sekkira
Also, weapon choices don't need to be supportive of the versatility of Rangers, because they're versatile.
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Yes, very versatile. That's why were sandboxed into using blood magic to farm with.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21
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#11
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Jungle Guide
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Um... the bow is the ranger's signature weapon - just like you won't find anyone using a sword (very well) unless they're a warrior.
Anyway, like I said, I'd be in favor of some new items - perhaps wands or staves for wilderness survival, beast mastery, and expertise. Maybe rangers could use staves as martial weapons - to attack w/ in melee...
Anyway, my point is still valid - offensive weapons are only found requiring their associated attribute (except for very weak ones w/ no attribute requirement)
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25
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#12
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: north phillys finest
Profession: N/Mo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?
Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery
Do you see a pattern?
Now... if they wanted to introduce some new weapons and skills that go w/ other attributes, I'd be all for that. Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.
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Ok i see your point. alot of the stuff is off hand req and since a bow uses 2 hands and a sword would be 1 hand "sword req + off hand sheild would be a diff req does make sence... i see what your saying. i was just wondering though but have a better understanding thx
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49
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#13
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal
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Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.
Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.
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Nov 22, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52
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#14
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Jungle Guide
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The ranger could use a no req bow, a weapon for one of their secondary profession attributes, or a bow w/ a req but for reduced damage. Given the fact that even if you max out 1 attribute, you can still easily get 9 in marksmanship to make the most of a bow, or use another attribute item, I see no problem.
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Earth, sadly
Guild: BORK
Profession: A/
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Is there even a point? Wanding is a joke. Splinter wanding is a hilarious joke, created by my Razah.
The reason casters have weapons in different attributes is because they have spells in those attributes with halved casting/recharge to be applied. Skills such as traps can't be affected by spell modifiers.
Last edited by Zeek Aran; Nov 22, 2007 at 04:07 AM // 04:07..
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07
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#16
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: W/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by October Jade
Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.
Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.
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The difference is that an elementalist specializing in Air Magic was planned for and anticipated by Anet's design. Specializing in one or two of the four elements was clearly part of the original design of the elementalist.
At the risk of getting flamed, a trapping ranger (as we know them in-game) is, for the most part, a farm build that exists solely in the metagame. Anet does not seem to directly support them and in fact have taken steps against them. In balanced, normal Guild Wars play, trapping does not perform particularly well. A ranger with only Expertise and Wilderness Survival was no more "intended" than a warrior with only Strength and Tactics or a Dervish with only Wind Prayers and Earth Prayers.
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07
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#17
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: Ageis Ascending
Profession: W/
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Basically the rangers second weapon is his pet, requiring BeastMastery.
Thier are some ranger builds, for trappers, that require no marksmanship but all points in Wilderness and Expertise.
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16
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#18
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Sep 2006
Profession: A/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by October Jade
Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.
Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.
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Or you can use a bow and dshot to have some utility other than squatting at the other team's feet.
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27
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#19
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Nov 2007
Guild: Dragon Force
Profession: D/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?
Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery
Do you see a pattern?
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that aspect of your post is in no way valid to the OP's question and is not funny at all. seriously the OP's question was a valid one so theres no need to make fun of them.
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Nov 22, 2007, 04:28 AM // 04:28
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#20
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GD Defender
Or you can use a bow and dshot to have some utility other than squatting at the other team's feet.
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You're trying to turn this into a normative argument, not a positive one.
That a bow is more or less useful than other potential options is not a point of contention. The point is that there aren't other options.
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